Excellent sounding Flugel!!!!! SN# 69943 Mostly This horn looks pretty good. Valves are excellent. Horn plays GREAT! If you want a dark warm sounding flugel this is the one! Excellent fast valves. Smokey dark flugel sound.
This horn is the bomb! No other flugel compares with the sound of Couesnon Flugel! Couesnon Flugelhorn, SN# 69943 On the 2nd Valve It's stamped 'D'. Bb is stamped on the tuning shank.
All valves & slides are excellent, tight, they work free & easy, excellent compression. It's has some scratches & some small dings, pretty minor stuff. I love these horns!!!!!! The serial numbers of the Couesnon Flugesl is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. A fire in 1978 destroyed all records of these great horns.Couesnon is one of the great names in brass instruments, in business over 170 years. It grew to include eight factories employing, at one time, over 1800 people in France. In the USA in the 1950s, the Couesnon flugelhorn became very popular as a doubling instrument for jazz trumpet artists.
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Their flugelhorn sounded great, was readily available, and was cheap. They were everywhere. Its design is copied by the overwhelming majority of instrument makers who now make and market flugelhorns. More Pictures upon request.
This is a very nice used vintage Couesnon Paris flugelhorn, Serial #81434. Our best guess is that the instrument was manufactured in the 1970's, as the Couesnon serial numbering system is a bit of a mystery and there are not any definitive serial number lists. It's lacquered finish (which appears to be original) is in good condition for the age, and has only minor wear spots in a few areas. (bell flare, bow, and usual contact points). This flugel just received a complete valve replate and refit job ($400+ service), and the valves are completely airtight now and smooth. It also received our Ultrasonic Cleaning and Synthetic valve alignment, so it is ready to be gigged! It has been fitted with a brand new Yamaha professional level hardshell case and fits like a glove.
This is a great playing flugelhorn and is a great value with virtually brand new valve action. Product Specs Condition: Brand: Model: Finish: Categories: Year.
Couesnon has been in business for over 170 years. The Couesnon company was started in 1827, outside of Paris. Cousenon was located in Paris in 1882 by Amedee Couesnon the son-in-law of Gautrot Aine. In 1883, it was called Couesnon, Gautrot et Cie, and from 1888, Couesnon et Cie. By 1896 they had a workforce of 200 By 1911, Couesnon had expanded to eleven factories and more than 1000 workers. During this time the products were highly sought after and were played by many virtuosos. A 1913 catalog lists the models from best to worst: Modele Monopole, Opera AN, Armee BN, Armee GNM, Cantional BO, Universel CGO, and Model SO.
Note the 'pineapple' or 'Grenade' at the bottom of the logo. When this is present, the number in side of the design is the year of manufacture. But, by 1927 they were down to a workforce of 200. During the 1930s they began catering to marching brass bands, and gradually became almost the only supplier of marching brass instruments in France. They made many horns which were imported into the United States, including many that were sold under the names of music stores and other private labels.
At the end of World War II, the music business started to change, but Couesnon continued to deal primarily with the special needs and instruments of brass and military bands. Starting in the 60 s and during the next 20 years, Couesnon tried to expand its share in markets other than marching bands. They made a line called Monopole Conservatoire of higher quality instruments, but their marketing proved ineffective and factories were sold off and in 1969 the main factory was badly damaged by fire, destroying the archives. The fire resulted in loss of all the company records, including those which would make it possible to determine the year of manufacture from the serial number. In 1978, the contract with Gretch to import Couesnon instruments to the United States was terminated and new Couesnon instruments have been very rare in the US since that time. Today the company has only 25 employees working in its sole shop.
In 1999, the French drum maker P.G.M. Bought the name, the tooling, and the factory to give it new life. The company is now known as P.G.M. Their most popular products are hunting horns and tambour drums mainly for the French market. Unfortunately all the mandrels and tooling needed for the making of C, Bb and piccolo trumpets had been stolen, so the workshop is making only brass band instruments, such as the flugelhorn, cornet, tuba, a true French French horn, with piston valves and extended stems for left hand operation, hunting horns, and a natural trumpet (Jeanne of Arc model) and military bugles, bass bugles, cavalry trumpets. The company is now a very small family owned business whose ownership is found in the companys name, P.G.M.
Comes from the family name Planson. They have two daughters Sophie and Isabelle. Sophies married name which is Glace. Isabelles married name which is Moret.
The company is all situated in one building, containing office, manufacturing, storage, and lacquering. Only silverplating and case making are done elsewhere. Production facilities are old-fashioned and the employees are skilled hand craftsmen.
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All of the Couesnon instruments are handmade. They make three flugelhorn models, 137 Tradition, which is the small one, 142 Monopole, and 144 which is the 4 valve version.
Production of flugelhorns is about 50-60 a year. An important part of the engraving is the small number (in a circle, or pineapple) which often follows the words on the bell. This indicates the last two digits of the year made The Triebert workshop was established in Paris in 1810, but they were primarily oboe makers, and are credited for being primiarily responsible for the development of the modern oboe. The company went into bankruptcy in 1881, and was bought by Gautrot Aine, who in turn was bought out by Couesnon.
It is likely that any brass instruments with the Triebert name are actually Couesnon. Couesnon is known to have used the Triebert tradename into the 30s. Contributions pending.
I recently bought a Couesnon Monopole Conservatoires alto sax with serial number 11103. It came with a 'CERTIFICAT D'ESSAI ET DE GARANTIE', printed on Monopole Conservatoire certificate paper, with the serial number 11103 written in by hand, dated in Paris by hand November 15, 1960, and signed and stamped by M. On the same stamp as the name M. NOUAUX, is the following below the name: '1er Prix du Concours Internationel d'Execution Musicale a Geneve Soliste a la Garde Republicaine'. This has to be the best conclusive forensic evidence tying a serial number to a date of manufacture of this Couesnon sax. Well, it's been repaired once and needs more work. While he did say he could find us something, he wasn't pushing a new instrument.
This is who the school district uses and we trust him. He said the keys are 'soft'. Kids aren't that gentle and marching means being outside, laid on the ground, picked up and put down a lot, etc. I think it's also harder to work on and he's not familiar with it.
We had another guy tell me it was junk, don't put any money into it, but this guy was able to repair it a few years ago when my oldest used it for jazz band. He said it was a good horn just not for how a student is going to treat it in marching band. I'd rather not replace it, but if I can get it into the hands of someone who knows and appreciates it and get her something better for her right now it seems like a good idea. Any idea how old it is? If 11000 was in 1960, then my 14692 makes it mid 60s? If so, it's much older than I thought. Does your sax have the words 'monopole conservatoirs' on it?
That was Couesnon's top sax. Yes, it does. There are a few images in from another thread, including detail of the engraving. I should post some more.
When my older daughter started playing it a few years ago, we had a little misunderstanding about the instrument. We were told it was very badly out of tune, which is what led me here at that time, but it wasn't.
Couesnon Trombone Serial Numbers
Frankly, these Couesnons don't seem to be well understood at all. Our new asst. Band director is a sax player (the head is brass), so I'm hoping to get some better input from him this week.
Series I 1937 - 1949 (#1 to approx #82xx) Again, after Couesnon was reformed in 1931, there was a slight gap in sax manufacture (it may be that I just haven't seen any horns from about 1931 to 1940). After this gap, these art deco horns appeared.
Bevelled tone holes gave way to rolled tone holes. Left hand bell keys became right hand bell keys. Double-socket necks are also introduced. Note that these horns have a bit different serial number structure. It's probable that either when Couesnon was incorporated or when they moved to their new facility that their serial numbers restarted at 1. The construction of these saxophones parallels only one other French manufacturer: SML.
Series II 1950 - 1980(?) This series is marked by slight keywork design changes and different engraving. There is no serial number chart extant for Couesnon. I do, however, find it difficult to believe that they produced saxophones after 1980, as their construction is far inferior to the Buffet SuperDynaction 'transitional' models or S1, the Dolnet M70 or the Selmer Mark VII/S80.
Couesnon Paris Trumpet
However, I put their production end date so late because of Couesnon's 1976 saxophone neck patent (FR2277393), which is demonstrated on a Monopole neck.
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